Kat’s Wolf Wolf - fewer roles version - Day 3

[Kat]

As usual, the role dictionary can be found here:

Zell Wolf - Zell Wolf Role Dictionary and Hall of Fame

In an effort to consolidate, I'm going to list all the roles / potential roles along with DETAILED role information. In future games you would just get a PM from me that says "Your role is XXXX". Strong Villagers: Bully Aura: Unknown During the day, can hit a player with a rock and give them a...

gwforums.com

And here's the list of players:

@Local Hero
@canadaguy
@Fool's Requiem
@Raine
@Smacktard
@A Somer Special
@shortkut
@Benzine
@Jon
@Zell 17
@Tommy Boy
@Jawneh
@Tubby23
@VashTheStampede
@Dean
@GwJumpman

And here are the roles:

Village team:
Doctor
Marksman
Tough Guy
Priest

Between one and four villagers will get random roles from the STRONG OR REGULAR villagers in the dictionary. Everyone else will get roles with no powers (like the farmer).

Wolf team:
Confusion Wolf
Wolf Trickster
Berserk Werewolf
Random Werewolf

The random werewolf can be any of the numbered wolves listed in the dictionary.

Solo team:
Random solo killer

Rules:
Nights will be 12 hours and days will be 24 hours. The end of the next period will be clearly posted.

You may edit your posts for clarity. If you edit out an action (like shooting someone) and you get caught I'm killing you.

You have unlimited vote changes. This includes voting nobody. The day expiration time will be strictly enforced. If your post / vote is at the deadline or later, it will be discarded. People can have a flurry of late vote changes to lynch someone, but of course the consequences of doing that will be noticed by the village. Only your last vote will be counted. Votes must be in Bold to be counted. Please vote in the format I vote XXXX to make it easy for me.

There will be a minimum number of votes required to lynch. Usually this number will be around the number of villagers / 2. In the event of a tie, nobody is lynched. In the event that the minimum number of votes is not reached, nobody is lynched.

Skips require a skip vote from every player.

Night events will go in the following priority order regardless of when the PMs are sent to me:

Wolf Nightmare activates
Wolf Shaman/Confusion activates
Medium/Ritualist revive spell
Wolves break out of warden prison
Wolf seer check
Blind Wolf check
Illusionist disguise
Beast Trap ensnares an evil
Flagger redirect
Doctor protect
Bodyguard protect
Witch protect
Tough Guy protect
Violinist check
Detective check
Aura Seer check
Voodoo wolf / Librarian mute
Marksman shot
Witch kill (if not killed by marksman, otherwise potion unused)
Jailer/Warden kill (if not killed by marksman/witch)
Red Lady visit
Revived players return from the dead (cannot be targeted by wolves/solo in same night)
Solo killer attack
Wolf berserk mode activates
Wolves kill
Spirit Seer/Sheriff check
Cupid selection

In the event that two of the same role perform the exact same action, they will both be credited.

Please do not talk about the game outside of the designated threads. This is honor system. When you die, you will gain access to a special forum that is already set up. The ritualist will have access to this forum at night. If you are revived by the ritualist, you will lose access. Please use this forum for all discussion by dead players about the game. Alive players can talk during the main thread during the day.

It is possible, if very unlikely, for the game to end in a tie if every single player is killed. The game also ends in a tie if there are no deaths for three straight days and nights.

Winning Conditions:

Village: Kill all wolves and the solo killer.

Wolves: Kill the solo player. Once the wolves make up half the total players and the solo killer is dead, the wolves win, regardless of the roles remaining.

Solo: Kill all other players.

 

[Kat]

Sorry, in meetings all morning so no story.

The Marksman shoots Jawneh! Jawneh has died! Jawneh was the ?????

The wolves attack Dean. Dean has died! Dean was the ?????

The day has begun and will end at 10 AM PST/ 1 PM EST.

 

[Kat]

@canadaguy
@Fool's Requiem
@shortkut
@Jon
@Tommy Boy
@Tubby23
@VashTheStampede
@GwJumpman

Whoops, thread is now open.

 

[Kat]

Four votes required to lynch.

 

[shortkut]

Voting @Fool's Requiem

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Voting @Fool's Requiem

wrong

 

[GwJumpman]

 

[shortkut]

wrong

I was right about Zell, so put up or shut up

 

[Fool's Requiem]

So, if Zell is Evil Detective, and he was telling the truth, then either canadaguy or Jon are wolves.

I was right about Zell, so put up or shut up

you being right about Zell doesn't mean jack, dude.

 

[shortkut]

So, if Zell is Evil Detective, and he was telling the truth, then either canadaguy or Jon are wolves.

you being right about Zell doesn't mean jack, dude.

It means what I want it to mean

 

[Fool's Requiem]

It means what I want it to mean

It means you're a dum dum who got lucky.

 

[Jon]

I was right about Zell, so put up or shut up

I called Zell being the SK first, truthfully.

I do have a question on how Jump knows an attempt was made on Tubby, though?

Based on what I see in the roles (so someone correct me if I'm missing something), it would make Jump:

1. Tough Guy (unlikely because as I see it the tough guy dies at the end of the day? Is that right? The wolves killed Kelly so they didn't target Tubby)
2. Doctor
3. Bodyguard
4. Flagger I suppose is possible based on its role but he didn't indicate that to me

Am I missing one?

Since he said it on day 2 and not day 1, I'm looking at the events of night 2 when Alu, Raine and Kelly were killed. Raine died of a failed MM kill. Alu died from Dean's kill potion. Kelly was killed by the wolves. To me this indicates the SK would have gone after Tubby.

If that's true, the most likely case is he's the Doctor or a bodyguard. And if that's true, based on the kills we see, Zell could NOT have been truthful in checking me AND CG because he would have had to have targeted Tubby in there at some point. It also stands to reason he checked NEITHER CG or me because to kill Tubby he would have had to have targeted himself (because if he targeted someone on an opposite team of whatever Tubby is, that OTHER person would have been killed; so he definitely didn't do this). Am I missing something here?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Need to try and break down what Zell's intent was with picking out canadaguy and Jon...

 

[shortkut]

Need to try and break down what Zell's intent was with picking out canadaguy and Jon...

if he checked both of them together, then they are both good or both evil. If they were different teams, then they would both die

 

[VashTheStampede]

@Kat if the Evil Detective checked people on opposite teams (which would kill them) and one was protected by, say, the Doctor...would the other target still die?

 

[shortkut]

Evil Detective
Aura: Unknown
Cannot be killed by the wolves at night. At night, can compare two players. If they belong to the same team, the Evil Detective will be told that both players belong to the same team. If they belong to different teams, both players will be killed. The Evil Detective can compare players against themselves, which always guarantees that the other player will die.

Emphasis added

 

[VashTheStampede]

if he checked both of them together, then they are both good or both evil. If they were different teams, then they would both die

Right, but he might not have checked them. Jumpman claims to have protected Tubby that same night.

 

[Jon]

Isn't this a perfect Occam's Razer moment? The simplest answer is he was just trying to cast doubt on two villagers so we wouldn't lynch him. The only way he could die was through lynching. Makes more sense to pick two names, call them evil and make the town lynch them both (hoping one of them is in fact evil to continue your rouse).

 

[VashTheStampede]

Isn't this a perfect Occam's Razer moment? The simplest answer is he was just trying to cast doubt on two villagers so we wouldn't lynch him. The only way he could die was through lynching. Makes more sense to pick two names, call them evil and make the town lynch them both (hoping one of them is in fact evil to continue your rouse).

So in this version of events, he never checked you and canadaguy, instead focused on Tubby, who happened to be covered by Jumpman?

 

[Jon]

@Kat if the Evil Detective checked people on opposite teams (which would kill them) and one was protected by, say, the Doctor...would the other target still die?

My interpretation (and why I said what I did) is indeed this. They would both be marked for death, but only the protected person would live. The other would die.

I just can't see another way Tubby could have been targeted that night, and saved, if Zell didn't target Tubby and himself. Meaning he made shit up about CG and me to protect himself. Because he doesn't care who is a villager or wolf. He needs us all dead.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Emphasis added

so he was definitely full of shit

 

[Jon]

So in this version of events, he never checked you and canadaguy, instead focused on Tubby, who happened to be covered by Jumpman?

I mean I'm not claiming this is what happened. This is just my interpretation of the events that transpired.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I just can't see another way Tubby could have been targeted that night, and saved, if Zell didn't target Tubby and himself. Meaning he made shit up about CG and me to protect himself. Because he doesn't care who is a villager or wolf. He needs us all dead.

I agree that this is the most likely case, but my cork board and all this yarn tells me that Jumpman could still be full of shit too.

 

[Jon]

I agree that this is the most likely case, but my cork board and all this yarn tells me that Jumpman could still be full of shit too.

Absolutely, I agree 100%. He's made loose claims at this point (and again, this is why I like not outright role claiming; it forces US to do the work).

I'm personally CHOOSING to believe him because he wasn't killed by Benzine, meaning he was either a townie or SK. And Zell was the SK, so he's definitely a townie. So I'm just on a hunch that he's telling the truth he was told Tubby was targeted and the roles that make sense for him to be (to me; I haven't read ALL the roles) are Doctor (which we know one exists) and Bodyguard (which would mean he's a random powered villager).

This is just me applying Occam's Razor to my own personal opinions.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Gonna toss my vote onto Fools

being just active enough to be visible without really getting involved

Jon seems to legitimately be trying to help

No one has contested Jumpman's role claim, though I suppose there's a chance he's the Trickster

canadaguy is at his typical activity from the last few games, for better or worse

Tommy writing a whole fuckin story for a vanilla role is a little sus but I could also see myself doing that so....

I think/hope kut might be our 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll

 

[Kat]

@Kat if the Evil Detective checked people on opposite teams (which would kill them) and one was protected by, say, the Doctor...would the other target still die?

Yes, the other target would still die.

 

[Kat]

Four votes to lynch. Current tally:
Fool's Requiem - 2 by shortkut, Vash

 

[Fool's Requiem]

People who vote me aren't getting any pie....

 

[VashTheStampede]

I vote Tubby

 

[shortkut]

 

[Tommy Boy]

Going along with shortkut on this one and Voting Fools Requiem.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

So, no pie for Erik, and no pie for Tommy.

 

[Tommy Boy]

If you're the baker, why weren't you at the town meeting about garbage bins last week?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I don't want to waste a vote on Tubby. If he's a wolf, then he's harmless until Tubby comes back (if he comes back).

Voting shortkut. His Zell vote was sus. It's possible that he knew Zell was a baddie. His vote in day too was far too random.

If you're the baker, why weren't you at the town meeting about garbage bins last week?

I was busy making wonderful celebration sweets for when we desposed of those dirty wolves.

 

[Jon]

@Kat Are we doing skips in this version, btw? I'm taking the kiddos to Disney tomorrow and I won't be posting much, if at all once I go to bed tonight, so I just want to know expectations.

 

[Kat]

@Kat Are we doing skips in this version, btw? I'm taking the kiddos to Disney tomorrow and I won't be posting much, if at all once I go to bed tonight, so I just want to know expectations.

We'll skip a phase if everyone (except Tubby) votes to skip.

 

[Jon]

I'm also highly suspicious of Kut. He feels... different... in this game and I can't quite put my finger on it. He's only been a townie in games I've played, so this is a red flag for me that doesn't feel right. The only other person on my "determination radar" is Fool. But I want pie.

I also want there to be a Barber so we have a Sweeney Todd and Mrs. Lovett though, but all I can do is keep hoping those farm fresh eggs keep flowing.

So in the mean time, I'll vote shortkut and skip. (I want to be involved and being away tomorrow is going to be sad. Until I ride Rise of the Resistance again. So good.)

 

[Fool's Requiem]

 

[VashTheStampede]

Voting shortkut. His Zell vote was sus. It's possible that he knew Zell was a baddie. His vote in day too was far too random.

But you were the second vote for Zell after him.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

But you were the second vote for Zell after him.

true, but I also had expressed doubts about Zells seer claim.

 

[VashTheStampede]

shortkut is claiming some sort of jeweler type role

canadaguy a fishmonger of sorts

Tommy Boy a blacksmith

Fool's a baker

Hm

Voting shortkut but I can't bring myself to skip yet

 

[Fool's Requiem]

shortkut is claiming some sort of jeweler type role

thanks for this reminder.

No longer voting for shortkut.

kut made two random comments about jewels and diamonds. Since this is the first game we've had where townies have "roles", it's safe to say that people teasing their roles early on are not full of shit. Pretty good odds that kut is a townie.

canadaperson just came out and claimed fish monger after Zell claimed to have seered him and Jon. It's possible that he's not lying, but I'm a tad weary of random townie claims after the first day because Tommy Boy made it SUUUUUPER obvious that there townies assigned powerless roles that were still named.

 

[shortkut]

Voting shortkut. His Zell vote was sus. It's possible that he knew Zell was a baddie.

Hay d00ds, diz gi funds bags peepels. Lettuce kil hem

 

[Kat]

Four votes needed to lynch. Current tally:
Fool's Requiem - 2 by shortkut, Tommy Boy
shortkut - 2 by Jon, Vash

Seven votes needed to skip. Currently voting to skip: Jon

 

[Fool's Requiem]

canadaguy - Claimed Fish Monger in day 2, but only after being accused by Zell.
Fool's Requiem - Patisserie
shortkut - Jeweler
Jon - ???
Tommy Boy - Blacksmith
Tubby23 - ???
VashTheStampede - ???
GwJumpman - Confirmed Townie (since he is not a wolf, and Zell was the solo)

Deads:
- Local - Teach
- Benzine - Priest
- Alu - Poor sob
- Raine - Marksman
- Dean - Townie
- Jawneh - Wolf (killed by Marksman)
- Zell - Evil Dick
- Kelly - Townie

Roles Remaining:
- Marksman (unless Dean was marksman, it is possible)
- Tough Guy (Will only die at the end of the DAY phase, not at night)
- 3 other townie roles
- 3 wolves, one could still be the Confusing wolf.

Tubby, Jon, Vash, and CG are lead suspects for wolves.

I do not believe there is a way to know if the Doctor is still alive. Dean stated he was confused about his role. Doctor is pretty straight forward. Tough Guy a little less so, but again, Tough Guy dies at the end of the day phase, and no one besides people being voted out have died at the end of day phases, so Dean was not the Tough Guy. Kat did mention that there were some questions regarding what they can do with their random townie roles that don't do anything, so it's possible Dean was confused of what to do with his role. I don't know what is confusing about Marksman, but if Dean was confused about an actual role, Marksman makes more sense than Doctor. Marksman kills happen before wolf kills, so it is very likely for a Dean to get off a kill but then be killed himself.

Confusion wolf has used up both instances of their ability and can no longer make deaths unknown.

Wolf trickster is possibly still in play but odds of them guessing who the Witch kills tonight is pretty slim, and that assumes the Witch is even still alive.

Tubby being a total unknown makes this pretty hard. But he's also a total non-threat.

If we vote a townie, the Tough Guy and whoever else is alive with a power townie role needs to get their actions correct or it's GG.

I believe we have a 75% chance of getting the vote correct... as long we pick one of the four lead suspects.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Tubby is 100% not the confusion wolf, marksman, or witch.

 

[Jon]

Dean was the Witch. He said he killed Alu. Who was killed by the witch.

I have also hinted at my role multiple times by now. Including playing into your claimed role. Twice. Once even by accident. At this point I won't be more specific so you will reap what you sow.

By my count, we still have two of the guaranteed roles unaccounted for (Tough Guy and Doctor; Priest was Benzine and Marksman 1 was Raine). We have another Marksman unaccounted for (with one shot left), a supposed Bodyguard in Jump (with one charge left) and the Witch was Dean. Kat's wording was UP TO four villagers can have powers. We have three. So it's possible, if not likely at this point, that the remaining four of us have powerless roles.

I am uncertain that Kut is a powerless villager, and I have suspicion on him and Vash. I believe the fourth wolf (as Jawneh was one) is Tubby (poor guy). I still suspect you FR in the same way you suspect me (we've both simply alluded to roles with no way of proving them because we're powerless. So, for now, I'm excluding you from my prime suspects until I can prove either Vash or Kut to be the second marksman. Unless you are...

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I looked through all of your posts and was not able to find something, unless Twin Peaks has something to do with your role. If Twin Peaks is relevant, then there is no way I'm getting the clues, unfortunately. Vash will scoff, but I haven't gotten around to watching the series.

If the line about stitches is not you teasing Doctor, then I am lost.

 

[Jon]

/sigh This is as "direct" as I'm going to get.

No, I haven't. I already gave you your cake. Do I need to give you the eggs and spoon feed you too?

I have also hinted at my role multiple times by now. Including playing into your claimed role. Twice. Once even by accident. At this point I won't be more specific so you will reap what you sow.

 

[shortkut]

- Local - Teach
- Jawneh - Wolf (killed by Marksman)

Where did we learn these facts?

I find it suspicious how Jon and Fool seem to be supporting each other a lot. They are my two top wolf suspects

@Kat how many wolves are there?