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[Ants!]

Of course role claiming helps the town, that's the whole point because it's the wolves who need to hide. I accept that it's part of the game now, but I understand why some people still don't like it. It's more fun to try to play with abilities and try to read suspicious behavior than to just ever game go "okay who are our three strong roles? Okay now who are the regulars that are provable? Okay good now let's work on who's left."

 

[Ants!]

I tried to avoid role claiming while also using my information as a seer, but that's hard to do unless you just go after a player without explaining why. Then I role claimed a seer when I was a wolf. Then this game I wasn't a seer or a wolf but I role claimed anyway because I was just like "fuck it" at that point lol.

 

[TD]

I am curious as to why Zell went so hard on it needing to be an alpha wolf and therefore someone with an unknown claim is it.

Did he say that's why? I never noticed that but I agree with you, it could be any, though Alpha Wolf feels like a high probability due to the lack of ability usages, wolf avenger could certainly be possible and would match a certain claim too.

so I can play a non-townie without having to make up some bullshit and keep defending said bullshit with more bullshit

Playing as a non-townie requires you to be making up bullshit though. It's why the evils are always most successful with fake seers.

 

[Quagmire]

I am curious as to why Zell went so hard on it needing to be an alpha wolf and therefore someone with an unknown claim is it. Why wouldn't it be an avenger wolf (another that doesn't use a power unless it's lynched) with an evil aura that claimed a role with a good aura because they'd be dead no matter what if they were checked

Alpha wolf seems to come up a lot, so not a bad guess and worst case scenario

The wolf Avenger wouldn't be good either

 

[Quagmire]

Did he say that's why? I never noticed that but I agree with you, it could be any, though Alpha Wolf feels like a high probability due to the lack of ability usages, wolf avenger could certainly be possible and would match a certain claim too.

Playing as a non-townie requires you to be making up bullshit though. It's why the evils are always most successful with fake seers.

Zell says wolves should always fake a read day 1

 

[Acolyte Players]

Did he say that's why? I never noticed that but I agree with you, it could be any, though Alpha Wolf feels like a high probability due to the lack of ability usages, wolf avenger could certainly be possible and would match a certain claim too.

Playing as a non-townie requires you to be making up bullshit though. It's why the evils are always most successful with fake seers.

He didn't say why, but my assumption is because no abilities have been used other than voodoo that we know of. And alpha is an decent bet.

But it's also not a guarantee.

If I had another gun I'd shoot shortkut though because that seems like the fun thing to do.

 

[TD]

He didn't say why, but my assumption is because no abilities have been used other than voodoo that we know of. And alpha is an decent bet.

But it's also not a guarantee.

If I had another gun I'd shoot shortkut though because that seems like the fun thing to do.

It's always fun to shoot shortkut.

I think the biggest red flag on Jawneh right now is that Quagmire didn't have an active trap on him, not that he's claimed a role with an unknown aura. Though historically Alpha does tend to claim an Unknown aura role.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

@dimmerwit have you made a chart of players who have died via lynching?

 

[Quagmire]

It's always fun to shoot shortkut.

I think the biggest red flag on Jawneh right now is that Quagmire didn't have an active trap on him, not that he's claimed a role with an unknown aura. Though historically Alpha does tend to claim an Unknown aura role.

Always good to try and match auras

 

[Quagmire]

Jawneh suggesting Kat may be a wolf is interesting

I had the same thought so I don't know if that clears him or he's just trying to muddy the water

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Jawneh seems to be playing too defensive, IMO. Usually he's reserved and keeps to his gimmick.

 

[Christina]

I feel roll claiming over all leads to a less fun game. It ends up being the cheat code to narrowing down the bad guys super fast. If it was plan wolf with little to no jobs, maybe. But hacking the system to have everybody roll claim just ends up after awhile with just about the same game over and over and the town winning most of them.

I hate more that there is a known set amount of string players and wolves. People can't help but meta game and use that to round up all the bad guys and know they have. I will keep advocating that it should be a flexible amount. 3 to 5 wolves, 3 to 5 strong rolls. Something like that. Maybe even adding in 1 to 2 solo none violent rolls. Or doing something like if 3 wolves are rolled, you get an extra solo non violent. Something to help with the meta gaming of it.

 

[Quagmire]

I feel roll claiming over all leads to a less fun game. It ends up being the cheat code to narrowing down the bad guys super fast. If it was plan wolf with little to no jobs, maybe. But hacking the system to have everybody roll claim just ends up after awhile with just about the same game over and over and the town winning most of them.

I hate more that there is a known set amount of string players and wolves. People can't help but meta game and use that to round up all the bad guys and know they have. I will keep advocating that it should be a flexible amount. 3 to 5 wolves, 3 to 5 strong rolls. Something like that. Maybe even adding in 1 to 2 solo none violent rolls. Or doing something like if 3 wolves are rolled, you get an extra solo non violent. Something to help with the meta gaming of it.

I do like the variability idea

 

[TD]

I don't think role claiming is the issue, but it's what the game becomes without role claiming. It's a blend of shitposting, lack of game talk, and nobody really doing anything.

The reason that evils feel metagamed against is they aren't coming up with strong fake claims. A group of evils with well thought out fake claims will massacre a town.

 

[Ants!]

I don't think role claiming is the issue, but it's what the game becomes without role claiming. It's a blend of shitposting, lack of game talk, and nobody really doing anything.

The reason that evils feel metagamed against is they aren't coming up with strong fake claims. A group of evils with well thought out fake claims will massacre a town.

I could see that. I followed zells advice to role claim a seer right away and it worked pretty well.

I feel roll claiming over all leads to a less fun game. It ends up being the cheat code to narrowing down the bad guys super fast. If it was plan wolf with little to no jobs, maybe. But hacking the system to have everybody roll claim just ends up after awhile with just about the same game over and over and the town winning most of them.

I hate more that there is a known set amount of string players and wolves. People can't help but meta game and use that to round up all the bad guys and know they have. I will keep advocating that it should be a flexible amount. 3 to 5 wolves, 3 to 5 strong rolls. Something like that. Maybe even adding in 1 to 2 solo none violent rolls. Or doing something like if 3 wolves are rolled, you get an extra solo non violent. Something to help with the meta gaming of it.

I agree that having a precise number of strong roles makes it too easy. It should be more variable like 2 to 4 or something. I also wonder what it would be like if there were fewer ways to prove yourself, like if the gunner made their selection by PM.

 

[Quagmire]

I could see that. I followed zells advice to role claim a seer right away and it worked pretty well.

I agree that having a precise number of strong roles makes it too easy. It should be more variable like 2 to 4 or something. I also wonder what it would be like if there were fewer ways to prove yourself, like if the gunner made their selection by PM.

Overall I feel it's hard to prove other than a couple roles

For the most part wolves have feasted, though pm for the gunner would keep them alive longer

But then it feels like this game where it was mostly just shots in the dark

 

[Ants!]

We're not all going to have the same opinions on balancing the game, but that's okay. I may try to do less role claiming in the future, but I've come to accept that it's just how things are. I mean, you can't realistically everybody to resist doing it, especially since we don't all agree on it.

 

[Quagmire]

Let's all just claim seer again

 

[Acolyte Players]

I would like to point out that, even if he's who he says he is, it turns out it would have been better to shoot shortkut than me. I could offer defenses to people and he just yells really loud.

 

[Acolyte Players]

Shoulda just stuck with my "just shoot him to prove me, I'm 100% confident in the results" thing

 

[Benzine]

just lie better guys

 

[Quagmire]

just lie better guys

 

[Acolyte Players]

just lie better guys

I told the truth though

 

[Benzine]

I told the truth though

your truth was too weak a lie

 

[Acolyte Players]

The stronger truth is always shoot shortkut

 

[Quagmire]

The stronger truth is always shoot shortkut

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Local should have revived me so I could claim that dimmerwit and shortkut were bad.

 

[Benzine]

at least when i play wolf i don't get so easily baited. i'm still .1% salty about that triple shadow wolf game.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

damn, Jawneh is Alpha not Voodoo.

 

[Acolyte Players]

Numbers are fine so long as they identify the last wolf.

 

[Benzine]

the last wolf is local, i introduced a new wolf role, the Spicy, which is a wolf that can go into the dead thread but no one was paying attention

 

[Local Hero]

Maybe local should say the news to shoot dimmerwit instead of not saying it

Thanks for the reminder

 

[Fool's Requiem]

wolves reviving townies instead of wolves? sus

 

[Local Hero]

If a few of you guys need a break from wolf after this let me know, I'm sorry if things are getting heated between players (and friends). I don't mind putting my game off for a while. I'm only taking one course for the summer semester so I should have plenty of time to run it whenever.

 

[Benzine]

hurry up local

 

[Local Hero]

Local should have revived me so I could claim that dimmerwit and shortkut were bad.

 

[Local Hero]

the last wolf is local, i introduced a new wolf role, the Spicy, which is a wolf that can go into the dead thread but no one was paying attention

 

[Local Hero]

hurry up local

Oh I just wanted to tell Jawneh

Alright skip

 

[Fool's Requiem]

have fun, local

 

[Ants!]

Rez TD

 

[Local Hero]

Rez TD

Pretty sure I only have one, but fuck it let's go.

Revive TD

 

[Benzine]

bye local and you're not coming back

 

[Benzine]

haha and i'm not even starting the day yet, gotta wait for those slowpoke defenders

 

[Ants!]

Is TD alive again

 

[Acolyte Players]

Is TD alive again

He was alive all along.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Medium only gets one revive.

 

[TD]

It's a good thing there is no Medium. Only the Spicy.

 

[Christina]

the last wolf is local, i introduced a new wolf role, the Spicy, which is a wolf that can go into the dead thread but no one was paying attention

Can confirm. Totally remember Local being in the wolf chat.

 

[Acolyte Players]

 

[Fool's Requiem]